Monday, November 22, 2004

Civil Rights: Protecting the Uncivilized

We're not dealing with people, here, we're dealing with animals.

Oh, how many times have I heard it said? "We shouldn't detain people if they're not sure they're actually terrorists!" Well look at what terrorists do! Now don't you even try to tell me that we shouldn't take extra caution when dealing with the group of people who turn out the VAST majority of the world's terrorists. They murder people at home, and they fly planes into buildings abroad.

For every one innocent suspect we detain and investigate, 100 innocent people have been raped, sodomized, beaten, and executed by our enemies around the world. INNOCENT PEOPLE. The rooms mentioned in the story I linked to are real. These things happen, and normal human beings don't commit these atrocities. Only a savage animal, one with no regard for law and order, could bring *it*self to act in this manner. And they're savage animals that we strive against.

No matter how hard you try, no matter what hardships you suppose these people--I mean, things--have endured, you can't justify their actions. The severity of what they have done is in no way made acceptable by the fact that America supports Israel, or that Israel wants to keep her land. You can't say that these people have a right to act as they do; they may or may not have a right to be angry, but their actions are despicable, and should be stopped and punished.

The actions of these animals make them unworthy of whatever mankind has the ability to give them; money, asylum, protection under the law: All these things are luxuries that were forfeited by the terrorists when they refused to respect the law, and the inherent rights of mankind. It is insanity to continue defending the rights of people who don't believe in rights! Pardon these criminals, see how they repay mankind! Explosions, massacres, fanaticism and bigotry, that's all these animals know, and if you protect their rights, they're going to continue in their old ways. That's all they know to do, and that's all they care to do. And that's all they will do, if they are given the rights of a normal human being.

I'm SICK AND TIRED of people who are actually so concerned about a few people's freedom being suspended during an investigation that they'd actually permit thousands of other human beings to be killed, 9/11 style. Again.

Wasn't it proven on 9/11 that if you aren't safe, you'll be sorry? And didn't everyone decide, including America's liberals, that it's generally a good idea to be safe? Then why in blue blazes don't they want us to be safe? You can't be safe by affording terrorists the same rights you give everyone else, and you certainly aren't going to be safe if you just ignore the cause of the problem!

FACT: Muslims turn out most of the world's terrorists, especially the ones who have a grudge against the USA.

FACT: Most Muslims are of Arab or North African descent.

FACT: If you don't check these individuals closely, the terrorists among them WILL ATTACK AMERICA.

So, uh, why don't the liberals want us to "profile" in order to make sure we stay safe? Do they really want the bad guys to win, in the name of those causes they claim to champion, human rights and civil rights? Call me crazy, but I think that if you are fighting for the rights of mass murderers to continue their hobbies unabated, then it means you really have no concept of right and wrong. If you're protecting the "rights" of terrorists, while leaving the innocent out in the cold, you probably need to rethink some things (or just go live with the terrorists, provided you don't mind wearing a burka and submitting to tyranny). Since this is essentially a war between the psychopaths and their targets, the fanatics and the innocent, the right and the wrong, I'd say that liberals really have no authority to speak on any subject relating to the War on Terror. They're just a little too confused to tackle such a subject.

Because I know that some poor chap will immediately accost me after I post this, attempting to enlighten me to the fact that not all Muslims are terrorsts, I will go ahead and tell you what I know. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists (specifically the ones we have to worry about) are Muslims. And, since Muslims belong mostly to a couple of specific ethnic groups, I see no problem in screening these groups more intensely than we would screen other, non-threatening groups.

And at this point somebody will try to lift me from my slough of ignorance, informing me that we tried this during WWII with the Japanese. However, I'm not advocating concentration camps! I AM advoctating, however, the use of closer screening methods. If someone has a suspicious background, we shouldn't be afraid to detain them. In fact, we'd be stupid not to. If someone is a suspected terrorist, but is allowed to romp and frolick about our country while we investigate his past and his intentions, we could very well regret it. While we're figuring out what he means to do here, he'll let us know in no uncertain terms, if he is a terrorist, and by that time, it will be too late. And the whole point of investigating this suspect is to keep him from hurting us. So really, is it so bad to detain suspects?

Everyone is so worried about the FBI detaining people who aren't actually guilty. What they must understand, however, is that being detained isn't the punishment for guilty people, and it's no crime to detain someone who's suspected of being guilty. Conviction is the punishment. How can we convict someone we can't investigate, and how can we keep them from causing trouble while we investigate them, if we aren't allowed to detain them? For goodness sake, no one's going to be detained unless there is enough evidence against them to cause concern for the safety of the public! The FBI has no reason to arrest you if you don't appear to pose a threat.

At this point, some well-meaning person will inform me of a horror story that somebody forwarded them, about the evils of our law enforcement, and how no one is safe while the law enforcement is out. Somebody needs to get the people who believe like this out of Nazi Germany; the FBI is not the Gestapo. They generally act rationally. They generally act when they have evidence to support an action. If evidence supports an action, then don't accuse them of brutality for acting. Brutality is found in Iraqi rape rooms, not American law enforcement offices.

I, for one, want to be safe. I want those around me to be safe. We are innocent. For whatever reason, though, the liberals would rather keep a few suspicious people from being inconvenienced than keep thousands of innocent people safe. If the suspicious person is innocent, well then, good for him. If he's guilty, good for us; that means we're safe... But not if we can't keep the suspect from wreaking havoc while we investigate him. I'd rather a few innocent people be inconvenienced than a thousand innocent people die. That's common sense. Unfortunately, the liberals hold somewhat different values.

Whose side are they on, anyway?

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9 Comments:

At Mon Nov 22, 09:31:00 PM, Blogger TheLoneAmigo said...

Ah, yes, again, liberals are traitors. Maybe you should go and get a new talking point?

In all seriousness, it's not the terrorists we want to protect. Go and blow their brains out and I'll cheer. The terrorists are bastards, animals, evil sonofabitches. Kill them and no-one is going to complain.

What I hate is the reduction of freedom in the name of "security". I know a linguist (not a muslim, or in any way arabic-looking) who was detained because they were carrying samples of Machu writing. The border guards thought they were an terrorist code, of course.

Other stories: a second-generation Arab-American photography student being arrested for taking pictures of a bridge in Seattle. Three Arabic medical students being kicked out of a Florida university because they were detained. Not mentioning the fact that they were completely innocent. There's hundreds of other stroies.

Do you people know about the "Red Scare"? Thousands of Americans painted as Communists, their lives ruined for no real reason. Well, think on that for a while.

What about the many innocent Iraqis killed in the pursuit of terrorists. Don't pretend that they were all terrorists: they most certainly weren't. A newsclip that you watching Fox definitely didn't see was of some US soldiers shooting a guy taking a mobile phone out of his coat.

There's much more I could say, but I've got to go now.

 
At Mon Nov 22, 09:48:00 PM, Blogger maladroitme said...

I wish I knew what to think about this. While I do want myself and those around me to be safe, I have to wonder at what cost? At what lengths, exactly, would the FBI go to insure our safety? I'm not insinuating anything in particular, I want to know...

 
At Tue Nov 23, 04:35:00 PM, Blogger Lewis said...

>>>For every one innocent suspect we detain and investigate, 100 innocent people have been raped, sodomized, beaten, and executed by our enemies around the world.

So, do you believe in subjective rights? Is it of little import whether we break the law, as long as it’s “not as bad” as everyone else? Is the illegal detention of an innocent suspect wrong, or not?

>>>You can't say that these people have a right to act as they do; they may or may not have a right to be angry, but their actions are despicable, and should be stopped and punished.

Of course they should be punished, but whatever happened to the good ol’ American system of justice: “innocent until proven guilty”?

>>>The actions of these animals make them unworthy of whatever mankind has the ability to give them; money, asylum, protection under the law: All these things are luxuries that were forfeited by the terrorists when they refused to respect the law, and the inherent rights of mankind. It is insanity to continue defending the rights of people who don't believe in rights!

I agree that terrorists behave like animals, but does that give us the excuse to do so as well? I support the death penalty for terrorists, but only through lawful means, according to our system of justice. Reneging on that in a fit of emotional rage at their atrocities is extremely foolish.

>>>I'm SICK AND TIRED of people who are actually so concerned about a few people's freedom being suspended during an investigation that they'd actually permit thousands of other human beings to be killed, 9/11 style.

It is extremely far-fetched to assume that retaining individual liberty will result in 9/11 attacks. Regardless, what is more important? Individual safety or collective liberties? All of our founding fathers spoke eloquently in favor of the latter. I believe that Patrick Henry used some pretty impressive rhetoric on the subject…

 
At Tue Nov 23, 04:36:00 PM, Blogger Lewis said...

>>>since Muslims belong mostly to a couple of specific ethnic groups, I see no problem in screening these groups more intensely than we would screen other, non-threatening groups.

Perhaps that would be effective. I’m all for monitoring alien activity in the interest of domestic security. But if a Muslim is an American citizen, he is guaranteed rights as an American citizen, and those rights should never be taken away from mere suspicion. Once you start down the path of curtailing the freedoms of American citizens for “security”, where do you stop?

>>>The FBI has no reason to arrest you if you don't appear to pose a threat.

Boy, is that a loaded statement! Appearance is a condition of safety? If the FBI deems you (for whatever reason) a potential “threat”, that is excuse enough for illegal detention?

>>>the FBI is not the Gestapo. They generally act rationally. They generally act when they have evidence to support an action. If evidence supports an action, then don't accuse them of brutality for acting. Brutality is found in Iraqi rape rooms, not American law enforcement offices.

Your use of the word “generally” frightens me. If you can’t honestly bring yourself to leave it out, then you have just rationalized my objection to your statement.

>>>For whatever reason, though, the liberals would rather keep a few suspicious people from being inconvenienced than keep thousands of innocent people safe.

Bingo. You’ve just described the entire rationalization for the American War for Independence. The assumption was that personal safety was worthless in the face of curtailed freedom. I guess the “liberals” are pretty smart, associating themselves with the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Henry, Whitfield, Franklin, Adams, etc.

>>>I'd rather a few innocent people be inconvenienced than a thousand innocent people die.

The Tories felt the same way. “Inconvenienced” is a safely tepid word to use. I prefer the brutal honesty of the founding fathers: “monstrous invasion of tyranny”, “give me liberty or give me death”, etc.
These are sad times we live in, for sure.

 
At Wed Nov 24, 10:47:00 PM, Blogger TheLoneAmigo said...

"Whose side are they on, anyway?"

You don't understand. There are more than two sides. Liberals aren't going to be conservatives, but they will fight terrorism. But on our terms, not theirs.

 
At Thu Nov 25, 12:37:00 PM, Blogger CFchampion said...

am I the only one with reason? this guy is totally right! (neofascist, if any of you get confused)
sometimes the right thing to do is not the most popular!
speaking of our forefathers... if they had to deal with S*** like this, they would have nipped it in the blood not played all nice!
when evil is given a face, wipe it out! that is for the good of the human race! when dealing w/ terrorism there is no place for political correctness!
I don't want my children and grandchildren still having to deal w/ terrorism! yes, they'll have to fight their own evils. but lets just pray that our generation will have already dealt w/ ours!

 
At Fri Nov 26, 08:04:00 PM, Blogger TheLoneAmigo said...

Don't you get it? Terrorism is not something you can wipe out with force. You can reduce it, destroy its funding, slay its proponents, and their will still be terrorists.

Terrorism is not something you can slay because it grows back. Anywhere people are angry and pissed and unable or unwilling to fight with more appropriate means, terrorism will spring up like a weed. The key to defeating terrorism is not military conflict.

Look at the shining example of defeating terrorism: Northern Ireland. Did the British invade Ireland? No. But you no longer have a serious problem. Learn from the past.

I seriously doubt that Washington would have voted for the Patriot Act, but that is impossible to prove. "Give me liberty or give me security!" Nice slogan, Georgie.

 
At Sat Nov 27, 09:41:00 PM, Blogger Lewis said...

>>>How can you possibly know?

Well, we can’t. But we can make a very accurate guess by studying the character of the man. In all probability, President Washington would have passionately thundered such a travesty as the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act is nothing less than a glorified Big Brother, and it is inconceivable that Washington would have agreed to it.


>>>When you are fighting for a civilization some things have to be given up.

Of course. But we have to remember what we are fighting for. Just crude personal safety? Or is the whole agenda that of retaining our hard-won (and all but destroyed) liberties against a regime of radical imperialists?
Because it becomes excruciatingly hilarious when we attempt to protect our “freedom” by taking it away.
Our “West-is-Best” “Sons-of-Democracy” “Ki-yi-yippee-hi-yay” propaganda is rather obviously disingenuous. It’s not like its even a show…

>>>It isn't like this is some new development.

But is it just? Really?

 
At Mon Nov 29, 10:44:00 AM, Blogger Lewis said...

>>>if you look at history our Founding Fathers weren't exactly angry that loyalists right be being comprimised…

That statement is a little misleading. First of all, what “rights” are you talking about? Remember, the Constitution had not been written as of yet, and there was no such thing as the “United States of America”, and there were no “citizens”.

The loyalists were citizens of the U.K., and had rights to protection only from the British. By renouncing the English supremacy, the founding Fathers ultimately “created” a new state… in which the loyalists had no affiliation whatsoever. In other words, they had no “rights”.

Obviously, our situation is a great deal different today. Middle-Eastern Americans ARE guaranteed rights, as they ARE citizens of America. The Patriot Act does indeed infringe upon on of the fundamental forms of American justice: no search without a warrant.
Interestingly, some of the justifications the founding Fathers had for going to war with England sound eerily familiar…

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

 

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