Tuesday, March 08, 2005

Mighty Hateful, For a Burglary

Well, I'm glad to have this cleared up... It's Not a Hate Crime If It's Committed Against Christians.

This isn't exactly an open-and-shut case, but I really doubt that this was a killing motivated by money. Maybe McDonald and Sanchez are really guilty, and they're just smarter than I give them credit for. Then again, maybe they're not.

Parts of the murder are consistent with a hate killing. For instance, Coptic Christians have crosses tattooed onto their arms when they're little (a way to distinguish them from the Muslims in Egypt), and these tattoos fade as time goes by. The victims' tattoos, however, were found slashed, in the manner of a hate killing. Your average thug won't know about the tattoos, and thus wouldn't know enough to make this look like a hate crime.

Furthermore, the victims' family issued this statement:


"The Armaniouses were not rich. Hossam and his wife, Amal, lived modestly with their two young girls in Jersey City. Despite speculation regarding a possibly robbery, the facts before us today appear to contradict such a supposition. The jewelry in the home, including Amal's ring, worth approximately $3,500, was left intact. As far as knowledge of our own family, the family did not keep large amounts of cash in their home so as to invite such a crime."

This does not appear to be a robbery. Yes, Armanious's ATM card was used, but it just doesn't make sense. If this is a robbery after all, then we're dealing with some *really stupid crooks*. After all, they took the ATM card (easily traced) but left the $3500 ring which could have been sold? It seems that a profit was merely an afterthought, a little "perk" to these killings.

Here is an older, but more informative article on the murders.

From what I've seen, this was an anti-Christian killing. IF the motive was robbery, then why the slashed crosses? If they were simply thieves who were covering their tracks, they did so in such an intelligent way that it contradicts their sloppy manner of robbing the place, taking ATM cards instead of valuable rings (from a family that lived rather modestly anyway). The theory that this was motivated by greed just doesn't add up.

However, IF this is motivated by hate, it makes sense. It has the markings of a hate killing, as the victims were activists, had little worth stealing, and had the crosses on their wrists slashed by someone who knew where to look for the tattoos. The robbery looks more like it was an afterthought... "Hey, this guy's dead, he won't be needing this anymore!"

I just don't buy it; robbery was not the motive for these murders. Now, I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, but it looks like someone's trying to cover this up.

How can any investigator just write off all the evidence that tells us this was a hate killing? If it were a gay activist who had been killed (or even just a random homosexual), I guarantee you there would be an ongoing investigation, because any time a homosexual is murdered, and someone uses his credit card, it *must be* hate crime. However, if a middle Christian family is killed and mutilated and their ATM card stolen, the motive is *obviously* robbery.

My guess is that someone doesn't want to make waves, so they are writing this incident off. Again, I don't like conspiracy theories, but the facts of the murders point to:

A.) thieves who are not only intelligent enough to make it look like a hate killing, but also too stupid to take the valuables they just killed for;

or

B.) hateful zealots who took advantage of the opportunity they had after the murder.

Which sounds more reasonable?

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7 Comments:

At Wed Mar 09, 02:26:00 PM, Blogger Larix said...

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001387.htm

Im not sure the crosses were defaced although apparently at least of the girls wrists were slashed but her tatoo was not defaced.

Since you metioned the crosses three times this probably an important point to clear up.

Although it is entirly possible that these slayings were a hate crime since the Copts aren't very well treated in the dictatorship that is Eygpt. And this could have spilled over into America.

 
At Wed Mar 09, 08:22:00 PM, Blogger TheLoneAmigo said...

Sounds like a hate crime to me.

Doesn't mean that all Muslims are likely to go out and kill Christians. Or, all Christians are likely to go out and kill Muslims.

Oh, and I'd just like to give you an insight on the Israel/Palestine issues. Just because someone uses violence and terrorism to support a cause, doesn't mean that cause is wrong. Look at the French Resistance. Terrorism, really. I'm sure they took out more than a few innocents. But that doesn't mean that their cause was wrong. And no, I'm not saying that Hamas is doing the right thing, that they're honorable, or that they should be compared to the French Resistance. But a Palestinian state is probably a good idea.

Have you been watching Battlestar Galactica? If not, start watching it(it's on SciFi). The episode "Bastille Day" shows just what I'm talking about: the villain supports a cause that is probably the right cause.

 
At Sat Mar 12, 01:14:00 PM, Blogger Toad734 said...

Hate crime laws are stupid anyways. If you killed someone, its pretty safe to say that you hated them. There seems to be some question to how much the crosses were defaced so that just makes it even more ridiculous that it would matter. I think it's safe to say that since they committed murder they will probably be put away for most of their lives, isnt that enough? Or do you really need to tack on a meaningless extra charge on these guys? It will not bring the victims back.

 
At Sat Mar 12, 11:41:00 PM, Blogger TheLoneAmigo said...

I just want to make it absolutely clear that I am completely opposed to Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups. I just support the idea of a Palestinian state. It didn't quite seem to read that way.

 
At Tue Mar 15, 05:13:00 AM, Blogger TheLoneAmigo said...

I'm sorry for posting off-topic. But I needed to get my thoughts down in words at that moment.

 
At Tue Mar 15, 10:52:00 AM, Blogger jacob.thrasher said...

Thanks Weech. I was simply repeating what I had heard on the MSM and various blogs. It still sounds like a hate crime, with the "execution" style and all. Thanks for clearing that up.

LoneAmigo,

Yeah, I didn't think you particularly liked terrorists. :)

I'll reserve judgment on the "Palestinian State" issue and go off on a tangent, if you don't mind.

"Look at the French Resistance. Terrorism, really. I'm sure they took out more than a few innocents. But that doesn't mean that their cause was wrong."

And I would agree. With that same stroke, however, you just cut down a liberal argument against the war in Iraq. Yes, I'm sure some innocents died, but that doesn't diminish our cause, does it?

That's not to equate legitimate conflict with terrorism, however. My point is that if you can justify terrorist activity (albeit terrorist activity for the right cause), then how much more can you justify legitimate methods of warfare where civilians sometimes get killed?

One more question: Was the French Resistance *targeting* civilians? If not, then I wouldn't necessarily call it terrorism. If it does not target the civilian population, then it qualifies more as guerrilla warfare, doesn't it? Sure, civilians may get caught in the crossfire (as in any war), but they aren't being targeted and the intention is not to cause terror.

Toad,

I think the point of the hate crime laws is to help discourage bigotry against any particular group of people. At the same time, I can understand your point, that killing someone usually indicates some sort of hatred.

Perhaps, at least in this case, hate crime laws are appropriate because someone who commits a murder based on racial, religious, or ideological hatred is more likely to kill again. In other words, if the murder they committed was motivated by their hatred of a particular group, they are more likely to kill more people, also from that group. That would make them more dangerous, and would justify giving them harsher penalties.

What do you think?

 
At Fri Mar 18, 12:22:00 AM, Blogger TheLoneAmigo said...

Hey, man, I don't deny that violence is sometimes the only solution. But it has to be put in perspective. How many people would have died if Hitler had fulfilled his goals? A hell of a lot more than the actual casaulties of WW2. He wanted to exterminate the Slavs, the Czechs, the Africans, pretty much everyone who didn't have blond hair. Plus, it was a defensive war. Hitler attacked other countries first.

You don't hear me decrying Gulf War I as a piece of cheesewhiz-stuffing American pigdog imperialism, do you?

Also, the Australian constitution has some lines to the effect of "the Australian Defense Force may only be used in the defense of Australia". So, we shouldn't be there, even if the war is right.

 

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