Why I'm not a Lutheran
Wow. Major turn-off to Lutheranism.
You should check out some of her religion-related posts from the past and see why I am quite happy in my "holier-than-thou," "Pharisaical," "pietist" Christianity.
I love her new zero-tolerance approach to those who disagree with her.
Wonderful example of a Christian. Great doctrine, Bunnie.
Beautiful.
And she simply gives me more reason to not be a Lutheran. Nevermind the fact that she once justified her brashness by claiming to be "confronting bad doctrine," or something like that.
Rubbish. She wants to pick a fight, and she decides to do it with other Christians.
Does this seem like a good idea?
UPDATE: She just banned my IP address. And I didn't comment further.
ANOTHER UPDATE: Sorry y'all, I'm flaming. I shouldn't have said all that stuff. To anyone who's offended or appalled that I'd act that way, I apologize.
posted by jacob.thrasher @ 12/17/2004 05:11:00 PM
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Whoever's at fault on this one is inconsequential. Ultimately, someone has to read Romans 12:14-21, and someone has to take it to heart and live it.
I should add Romans 13:11-14. There is also the concept of submission to authority. I would argue that one who runs a blog is in a position of authority. That authority should be obeyed as nearly as possible, or the poster should move on without striking back. To do any different is pure pride, which, last I checked, is a sin. It is Christlike to seek forgiveness, even when you're not in the wrong, and to forgive. To do otherwise is to deny the power of Christ's sacrifice for us.
Good Job neo really... Our job as Christians is to bring people to christ, not tell them that they are wrong I'm right... So get it right. I don't know about you... But when people tell me that, I go out of my way to go around them, even when I know that they are right. Jesus commands us to love EVERYONE! (John 13:34,35)... This is not loving this is being exactally like her!
Oh... and When you Love other people... The Love of Jesus Christ shines through you. (and yes I know I am standing in the middle of the road waiting to be knocked down by both sides)
i have many lutheran friends, and all of them love jesus very much.
what denomination of christian do you see as being the "best"? im curious. and why?
We don't see ourselves as the best... We see our beliefs (it’s not a religion) as the only way. We firmly believe in what we believe, and we see it as the only way to live. I have a hard time with this too. Sometimes we want other people to see it so badly that we come across as pushy and other things... I'm sure that you have picked up on that. We don't mean to be that way. It's just that we want other people to believe us, because it is the only way to live. I can’t say that I know much about other religions, I don’t. I am trying to understand the differences though. Nothing makes more sense to me than Christianity. It seems to me the way to go. You are forgiven for every thing that you do wrong the minute that you ask for forgiveness. You don’t have to do anything extraordinary to earn God’s attention. You go to Heaven when you die, and while you’re here, you have Jesus to lean on and guide you on your way. You don’t have to do anything but except Jesus into your heart, and Let him live there. It’s that simple. You don’t have to live in a rulebook. You don’t have to sit on a floor three times a day and ask fervently for his forgiveness. It’s the easy way out of our sins on our part. Jesus made it all possible for us. He died for us. He is our Gift from God to us. God’s son (Jesus) is our Gift. That is what Christmas and Easter is all about. The fact that Jesus Died for our sins. That he survived being whipped with glass, with stones, with meal. Even though we (humans) loved him, the day that he was commended, we spat in his face, He still climbed up the mountain with a cross on his back, so that we could always be with him. So many people don’t understand this. It is so simple. Yet it is so hard for us to take into our little minds. We could watch the Passion of the Christ all day if we wanted to, but in our minds we would pass it off as never happened like we do all the other movies. This is such a lost fact of history that it isn’t funny. It is so hard to comprehend what happened on that day. We look at all the things that we have today; we forget what it was back then. What our Savior did for us on that day. It is so hard to look at how we have repaid him for his sacrifice. And this my friend is why we do all the things that we do. When we step back and look at ourselves we realize that we aren’t showing the light to other people’s hearts, that we are actually pushing them away. It is hard for anyone to change their paths. We are also human, just because we are Christians doesn’t mean that we are perfect.
opps... I think that was the longest comment in comment history!
Reliant wrote:
"my Grandma is Lutheran, and let me say this: she is one of the most hatefull persons I've ever met. She believes her preconceived thoughts with a passion, and views me as some average parent-disobeying, drug-doing, rock-listening, snotty teenager. Which I'm not. But I am above her, that is why I tag along on family trips to grandmas retirement home, and accept her generous gifts of cash with a smile."
Without addressing the silliness of dismissing a theological confession because your granny issues give you trouble keeping the 4th commandment, I must say that I found this post stunning for both its self absorption and spite.
The whole "I hate my grandmother who is in a home but I love taking her money in the final years of her life, and oh, by the way, have I mentioned how un-Christian she is?" angle was one I hadn't seen before.
Reliant, I have no idea why your grandmother would think you're anything other than sweetness and light.
Let's just hope the old bag hangs around long enough to keep handing out the Benjamins, right? I mean, 'til your next birthday at least.
Bruce Banner
P.S. By the way, Neo, trashing Bunnie Diehl for being mean while letting Reliant spew this kind of bile on your blog is odd. What's the story? You're better than this.
Bruce,
I let it be posted because I felt it made a valid point... though the whole grandma/money thing did seem kinda selfish, I'm willing to give Reliant the benefit of the doubt. She doesn't make a habit of being belligerent, rude, or disrespectful so I can let it slide.
Also, let's be careful to not blow a side note out of proportion. That wasn't the point of her post; rather, her point seemed to be that her grandmother is rather hateful, and she wonders if there's something about Lutheranism that causes that. Not to justify the whole "money" aspect, but the point of her post was valid.
Ser,
Careful with the sarcasm...
You people better be in the fourth grade. Otherwise, you should consider suing whoever is giving you your education.
The FIRST AMENDMENT is a Constitutional right that guarantees that speech will not be abridged by the government.
As someone beyond fourth grade could probably figure out, criticizing someone's behaviour on a blog has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT. THERE IS NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HERE, now is there?
Wow, the ignorance here is breathtaking.
"Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse... Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, 'Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,' says the Lord. Therefore 'If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.' Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."
Bunnie is neither evil nor your enemy. However, the concept above applies beyond the extreme case, particularly given that one should be subject to the authority of the person who hosts a blog. Just as Neo has every right to ban me or anyone else, so does anyone else who runs a blog. There is no such thing as "freedom of speech" on a private blog; it is the whim of the blogger to set the rules of speech on their blog. Speech is free in the blogosphere in that there are a million blogs upon which to surf, and a million ways in which one can set up their own blog.
Anyway, I continue to encourage Neo to apologize to Bunnie, play by her rules and provide his perspective there, without complaint or prideful backlash. Take your lumps and walk with humility (I wonder where that concept comes from?). I would suggest the same for others here.
Neo wrote:
Bruce,
I let it be posted because I felt it made a valid point...
That wasn't the point of her post; rather, her point seemed to be that her grandmother is rather hateful, and she wonders if there's something about Lutheranism that causes that. Not to justify the whole "money" aspect, but the point of her post was valid.
Ser,
Careful with the sarcasm...
Neo, you're getting silly now. Try for two seconds to forget how much you dislike Bunnie and think for a second.
Let's go through your thought process. Bunnie Lutheran. Bunnie say mean things about churches with bad doctrine. Bunnie say mean things about Switchfoot! Bunnie ban Neo from blog! Bunnie make Neo MAD!
Reliant hate Grandma. Reliant Grandma ONLY GOOD FOR WADS OF CASH! Reliant Grandma mean. Reliant Grandma Lutheran too! Reliant have good point! Lutheranism mean!
This is what passes for an argument on this blog? Look, I'm a former homeschooler too, and your thought process or lack thereof is an embarassment. Homeschoolers already get stereotyped as sheltered little kids who are incapable of critical thinking or dealing with the real world when they get attacked. Could you please not act like a walking argument for that sterotype? You have to do better than this, Bro.
Neo wrote:
Bruce,
I let it be posted because I felt it made a valid point...
That wasn't the point of her post; rather, her point seemed to be that her grandmother is rather hateful, and she wonders if there's something about Lutheranism that causes that. Not to justify the whole "money" aspect, but the point of her post was valid.
Ser,
Careful with the sarcasm...
Neo, you're getting silly now. Try for two seconds to forget how much you dislike Bunnie and think for a second.
Let's go through your thought process. Bunnie Lutheran. Bunnie say mean things about churches with bad doctrine. Bunnie say mean things about Switchfoot! Bunnie ban Neo from blog! Bunnie make Neo MAD!
Reliant hate Grandma. Reliant Grandma ONLY GOOD FOR WADS OF CASH! Reliant Grandma mean. Reliant Grandma Lutheran too! Reliant have good point! Lutheranism mean!
This is what passes for an argument on this blog? Look, I'm a former homeschooler too, and your thought process or lack thereof is an embarassment. Homeschoolers already get stereotyped as sheltered little kids who are incapable of critical thinking or dealing with the real world when they get attacked. Could you please not act like a walking argument for that sterotype? You have to do better than this, Bro.
Bruce Banner
Neo wrote:
Bruce,
I let it be posted because I felt it made a valid point...
That wasn't the point of her post; rather, her point seemed to be that her grandmother is rather hateful, and she wonders if there's something about Lutheranism that causes that. Not to justify the whole "money" aspect, but the point of her post was valid.
Neo, you're getting silly now. "A valid point?" Try for two seconds to not think about how much you dislike Bunnie and think clearly for a second.
Let's go through your thought process, shall we? Bunnie Lutheran. Bunnie say mean things about churches with bad doctrine. Bunnie say mean things about SWITCHFOOT! Bunnie ban Neo from blog! Bunnie make Neo MAD!
Hmm. Reliant hate Grandma. Reliant Grandma ONLY GOOD FOR WADS OF CASH! Reliant Grandma mean. Reliant Grandma Lutheran too! Reliant have very good point! Lutheranism BAD! Neo write post on blog! This is why Neo not Lutheran!
This is what passes for an argument on this blog? Look, I'm a former homeschooler too, and your thought process (or lack thereof) is an embarassment. Homeschoolers already get stereotyped as sheltered little kids who are incapable of critical thinking or defending their arguments rationally when they get attacked. Could you please not act like a walking argument for that sterotype? You have to do better than this, Neo.
Bruce Banner
Sorry, didn't mean to post three times. Don't know how that happened. The last one is the one I wanted to publish.
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